CHAT ON DHARMA, ORGASM, BLISS
He: I m a big fan of u. U r a genius
Me: Haha. All are.
I hop i can learn many things from u
Learn from everyone
Sure
R u atheist?
I am a simple human existence
Do u believe in a supreme power?
Nothing beyond what we can experience. No need to believe something that I cannot experience
So u r telling al the universe r working automatically without any control from an unknown power? (god)
No
We are part of that power. That power is within each of us. So no need to pray or feel belittled
But did u try to experience god's power?
The power within is good enough. That itself is amazing. Why search for some thing not known ?
Yes god is there with in every living creature, bt we hav do smethng to wak up dat god's power wth in us knw like dhyanam, bhajana chantng etc know.
Agree with you.But nothing will wake you up than detaching the mind from the world. That is what Gurus did.
See. It is like a blind knows about the sun the ones who can see would tell the blind that the sun exists. The blind can either believe or disbelieve
Because the blind cannot see. When all the others say there is a sun, the blind believes them. And in the sun too. But imagine the blind can see after an operation
Then he 'knows' that the sun exists. There is no need to 'believe' that the sun exists
Is that clear ?
Sree Ramakrishna said to approach the world as a Jack fruit. Apply oil in your hands first before enjoying it. Then the sap will not stick. This oil is knowledge. The jack fruit is the world. The sap is attachment. This detachment is achieved through practicing detachment of mind. The rest like Yoga, Pranayam, Japam, Meditation etc can follow as supplements.
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If one keeps the attachments and does all the other exercises, still there is no use. Detachment of mind is to be done first.
Hmm great, but after getting knowledge also our mind wont calm down know. Ma mind is always running like a monkey
The mind is to be understood. That is real knowledge.
I m a above average student til my teenage but now i cant concentrate in little things which i have to do, i were unable to stop ma thoughts.
Why you want to stop the thoughts ? Instead understand the thoughts. Watch your own thoughts with a smile. After all it is your own thoughts right ? Love the thoughts !
Stand under the mind. Locate yourself under the mind. Then the mind becomes outside you. You have to prioritize your preferences. Do your Dharma. That is righteous deeds. Responsibilities to be discharged. That is the only way to calm the mind.
Sorry ma network is slow & i m chatting from mobile so reply will be some late kk
ok. I failed to do ma dharma because of these thoughts, wen i determine to concentrate to do a work, in very next second thousands of doubts come to my mind & destroy ma concentration
Only your dharma would save you
Hmm
Can I post this chat ? Any thing more to ask or say ?
Ok sure. Yes some more thing is there to ask , ll ask to u later kk
You can ask now also
Is celibacy necessary to understand god with in us?
Read Osho at www.osho.com. Not necessary. Sex is part of the life energy. Befriend it. No need to make a dam to stop its natural flow. But again. This is a tricky issue. The important thing to remember is that sex is the means not the end.
But v ll lose both physical & mental energy dat we gained from difficult devotional activities after sex know?
Feeling high and dry ! That is the lesson to learn. LOL !
Actually orgasm is what ?It is a state of mind where one forgets time and location (space). When the mind loses both these references, one feels extreme pleasure for a flash of a second. That is because the soul surges in that state of mind
the nature of the soul is pleasure . Bliss. Orgasm is only a flash of that Bliss
For reaching that state of bliss, sex is not required. That is the trick. It is not dependent on sex. But the mind. When the mind loses time and space references, one feels orgasm. Orgasm uninterrupted is called Bliss.
Is dat pleasure same for both males & females? Or males experience more pleasure during orgasm? Y i ask this means i have noticed dat males have more prone to having sex.
Most males are more easily sexually aroused but very few are really efficient in sexual acts taking women to their sexual climax. Males get excited easily such as an exposed body part or undergarment of any female. But females do not get excited by all males. She can open up only to the one she loves or with the one she is legally connected to such as her husband (even if she does not like him).
Females need time and safety to open up. Females experience multiple orgasms and longer lasting orgasms than males.
Is there any pleasure greater dan sexual orgasm in this world?
Read again. Sexual orgasm is just a flash of the Bliss (or Paramaanandam) within you. It can be evoked completely not only thorough sex but through modifying the mind. In short chase sexual orgasm intelligently trying to learn about it more. More sex will not give one more pleasure. What Osho said is when you have sex, experience it completely with no inhibitions and as naturally as one can.
So u r saying orgasm is d shorter form of paramanda? Ie moksham?
Just a flash yes. One can have the same through drugs too. The mind gets stunned through drugs. Body gets frozen. Then again one experiences the soul. It is so pleasurable. Addicts think it is because of the drug. So they chase that pleasure through drugs. They never get it through drugs.
So people who gained paramanda is continuously experience d pleasure al the time which is same we experience in sex for a second?
Less than a second. It is just a flash. The soul gets revealed as orgasm to the mind
That is why many mystics talk about heavenly pleasures. Paradise. Unending pleasures. It is this Bliss that they are talking about.
Read Osho book "From unconscious to Consciousness" or
From Sex to Super consciousness "
Kk
He: I m a big fan of u. U r a genius
Me: Haha. All are.
I hop i can learn many things from u
Learn from everyone
Sure
R u atheist?
I am a simple human existence
Do u believe in a supreme power?
Nothing beyond what we can experience. No need to believe something that I cannot experience
So u r telling al the universe r working automatically without any control from an unknown power? (god)
No
We are part of that power. That power is within each of us. So no need to pray or feel belittled
But did u try to experience god's power?
The power within is good enough. That itself is amazing. Why search for some thing not known ?
Yes god is there with in every living creature, bt we hav do smethng to wak up dat god's power wth in us knw like dhyanam, bhajana chantng etc know.
Agree with you.But nothing will wake you up than detaching the mind from the world. That is what Gurus did.
See. It is like a blind knows about the sun the ones who can see would tell the blind that the sun exists. The blind can either believe or disbelieve
Because the blind cannot see. When all the others say there is a sun, the blind believes them. And in the sun too. But imagine the blind can see after an operation
Then he 'knows' that the sun exists. There is no need to 'believe' that the sun exists
Is that clear ?
Sree Ramakrishna said to approach the world as a Jack fruit. Apply oil in your hands first before enjoying it. Then the sap will not stick. This oil is knowledge. The jack fruit is the world. The sap is attachment. This detachment is achieved through practicing detachment of mind. The rest like Yoga, Pranayam, Japam, Meditation etc can follow as supplements.
.
If one keeps the attachments and does all the other exercises, still there is no use. Detachment of mind is to be done first.
Hmm great, but after getting knowledge also our mind wont calm down know. Ma mind is always running like a monkey
The mind is to be understood. That is real knowledge.
I m a above average student til my teenage but now i cant concentrate in little things which i have to do, i were unable to stop ma thoughts.
Why you want to stop the thoughts ? Instead understand the thoughts. Watch your own thoughts with a smile. After all it is your own thoughts right ? Love the thoughts !
Stand under the mind. Locate yourself under the mind. Then the mind becomes outside you. You have to prioritize your preferences. Do your Dharma. That is righteous deeds. Responsibilities to be discharged. That is the only way to calm the mind.
Sorry ma network is slow & i m chatting from mobile so reply will be some late kk
ok. I failed to do ma dharma because of these thoughts, wen i determine to concentrate to do a work, in very next second thousands of doubts come to my mind & destroy ma concentration
Only your dharma would save you
Hmm
Can I post this chat ? Any thing more to ask or say ?
Ok sure. Yes some more thing is there to ask , ll ask to u later kk
You can ask now also
Is celibacy necessary to understand god with in us?
Read Osho at www.osho.com. Not necessary. Sex is part of the life energy. Befriend it. No need to make a dam to stop its natural flow. But again. This is a tricky issue. The important thing to remember is that sex is the means not the end.
But v ll lose both physical & mental energy dat we gained from difficult devotional activities after sex know?
Feeling high and dry ! That is the lesson to learn. LOL !
Actually orgasm is what ?It is a state of mind where one forgets time and location (space). When the mind loses both these references, one feels extreme pleasure for a flash of a second. That is because the soul surges in that state of mind
the nature of the soul is pleasure . Bliss. Orgasm is only a flash of that Bliss
For reaching that state of bliss, sex is not required. That is the trick. It is not dependent on sex. But the mind. When the mind loses time and space references, one feels orgasm. Orgasm uninterrupted is called Bliss.
Is dat pleasure same for both males & females? Or males experience more pleasure during orgasm? Y i ask this means i have noticed dat males have more prone to having sex.
Most males are more easily sexually aroused but very few are really efficient in sexual acts taking women to their sexual climax. Males get excited easily such as an exposed body part or undergarment of any female. But females do not get excited by all males. She can open up only to the one she loves or with the one she is legally connected to such as her husband (even if she does not like him).
Females need time and safety to open up. Females experience multiple orgasms and longer lasting orgasms than males.
Is there any pleasure greater dan sexual orgasm in this world?
Read again. Sexual orgasm is just a flash of the Bliss (or Paramaanandam) within you. It can be evoked completely not only thorough sex but through modifying the mind. In short chase sexual orgasm intelligently trying to learn about it more. More sex will not give one more pleasure. What Osho said is when you have sex, experience it completely with no inhibitions and as naturally as one can.
So u r saying orgasm is d shorter form of paramanda? Ie moksham?
Just a flash yes. One can have the same through drugs too. The mind gets stunned through drugs. Body gets frozen. Then again one experiences the soul. It is so pleasurable. Addicts think it is because of the drug. So they chase that pleasure through drugs. They never get it through drugs.
So people who gained paramanda is continuously experience d pleasure al the time which is same we experience in sex for a second?
Less than a second. It is just a flash. The soul gets revealed as orgasm to the mind
That is why many mystics talk about heavenly pleasures. Paradise. Unending pleasures. It is this Bliss that they are talking about.
Read Osho book "From unconscious to Consciousness" or
From Sex to Super consciousness "
Kk
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